FF6 by a comfortable margin.

FF7 is a great game, and definitely worth playing though. But FF6 and Tactics are my favorite FFs, while FF7 is top 5, but below FF10 and FF5 and the previously mentioned FF6 and Tactics.

I haven't played FF6 all the way through so I can't really make a informed decision.  By far my favorite game is Final Fantasy VII because it is the first game I played all the way through and it holds a special place in my heart.  I hate how FF7 has so many fanboys, in most forums if you say you are a FF7 fan you are labled a fanboy and not a real gamer automatically.   

Oh I don't think you're in danger of a war breaking out here. It's one of the reasons I love this place! :3

Well, keep this in mind; when you ask the question of which game is 'better,' you can't really 'back it up with facts' because that's a subjective question. I suppose the technical answer of 'fact' as to which is the 'better' game would go to FF7 because it was built on a more advanced platform, and is a lot more advanced and complex in how it was made. Does that alone mean it's the 'better' game? To most gamers and fans, I'd say likely no, because what really matters is gameplay itself. Remember, this is what companies tried to do in the 1990's; a game system was 'better' just because of how many...bits it ran on. And that's simply not true; it's all about the games themselves. ;P

I'd say FF6 is the better game in...well, pretty much every possible way. The story is better, the characters are better and more interesting, and well, you become more attached to them because in most cases, you can cast whoever you want to play as, in most of the roles. I think just the way FF6 is built and how everything works, is 'better' at least in that I personally find it preferable.

The music is some of the greatest and best ever made for a game, period. Yeah, FF7 does have good music, and I like a lot of it, but I just don't think a lot of it is 'better' or as iconic. FF6 also really represented, in a lot of ways, what a SNES game could truly be, its impact on gamers cannot be understated. It's one of the games that really got people interested in RPGs; sometimes even people that didn't favor or play a lot of RPGs. I know that FF7 also did a lot for RPGs, and I would never degrade or deny that, but well....I think FF6 is possibly just as, if not more, important to RPGs and games as FF7 is. Would there even be an FF7 without FF6? And no, I don't mean that just chronologically. ;P

I've mentioned this a lot before, but a problem I have with FF7, and made me think less of it, are the rabid fans, especially those that will not let go of the idea of the game being remade for the PS3. And...I suppose when the PS4 is announced, they'll want it for the PS4, instead...But that's another thing; there are fans like this that demand the game be remade for the PS3, and honestly...I don't understand why. I've never heard a coherent case or real reason someone who claims to love the original so very much wants to see it redone. If you are so in love with the only version of FF7 that exists, why do you want it redone so desperately? What do you want them to do different? A remake isn't going to replace the memories of the old game in your mind, is it? I've never once heard the case made. I don't think that a remake would automatically, by definition, be 'bad,' but I personally am not wishing for it to happen, and don't think it's necessary. I'd rather Squenix work on all-new games they've never done before. For many fans though, this is just one topic they will not let go of, and won't accept the fact that Squenix isn't working on it, and have said multiple times, they're not going to for the forseeable future. Maybe they never will. But so what? If you have the game you're so deeply in love with already, then why does it matter?

Oh yeah, that's another thing; some of the same fans who demand an FF7 remake are probably some of the same fans that think Squenix 'sucks' now because all they do is rehash their old games. But remaking FF7 is perfectly okay? Why? 9__9

Anyway, the way that a lot of fans treat FF7 just....really started to have an effect on me, and I actually started to like the game less and less because of it. That's fine if you really like or love FF7, but....jeez, it's just a game. And I certainly disagree with the idea that it's the 'greatest' game ever made. Yeah, we all have opinions, which is great and fine, but...I don't appreciate the way a lot of rabid fans try to shove it in your face and up your ass. I...just don't understand the pure obsession. I really don't get it. This especially confuses me because, like I said, I find FF6 to have far more interesting characters. Far more.

I suppose FF7 was the first RPG, or first major one, that a lot of younger gamers played, and I understand that. I admit there is a nostalgia factor for me with FF7, too, but...I just don't think it holds up to FF6. But I suppose some of my feelings are a generational thing, too. It happens.

As usual, I don't mean to put down any fans who like or love FF7; that's not my intent. It's fine to like or love the game, and chances are, people on this board are not the kinds of...borderline-insane fans I'm talking about.

So, that's my answer, in brief!

First off i have to say a thanks for that very thought out post, and i would have to agree with all the things you said about people only wanting it remade.  I original game is what I love and the blocky graphics and the pre rendered backgrounds were the charm if they remade it that would change the whole experience.

One thing I like about this site is the members know of the Nintendo era Final Fantasy games and are fans of them more than the PlayStation era.

As for the games I don't know, haven't played VI and only played sixteen hour of VII but I am working on it by playing the games in numerical order. I am on V right now but I had an RPG burn out after playing to many RPGs back to back (mainly Dragon Quest).

You're welcome. :3

I wrote a couple of related articles about this topic before. They pretty much cover most of the things I mentioned here already. I do warn that the first one is...really long. But feel free to read it anyway! ;D--

-http://gaming-realm.com/2011/09/gamepro-editorial-squenix-doesnt-care-about-ffvii-fans-and-whats-wrong-with-that/

-http://gaming-realm.com/2011/12/kitase-would-make-changes-to-final-fantasy-vii-redux/

   Yeah, I just don't get that; fans who are evidently so in love with the original game that they....want it remade desperately? I've never heard why. Now granted, I'm sure there are some fans out there who simply are shallow, and that's what a lot of their feelings are, but not everyone is like that. Also, I'm sure that once a lot of fans saw Advent Children, they knew they wanted the game remade to look just like that. Even though...better graphics don't make a better game?

 Basically, Squenix is in a catch-22 about remaking FF7. No matter what they do, or don't do, fans will complain; some, anyway. All the more, I just say focus on new things, getting the company back together and making the brand a better, rejuvenated one again. Remaking FF7 is, I'd say, one of the least of Squenix's worries, or should be.

  Yeah, I think most of us are more old-schoolers here, and well, I think a lot of us agree that probably starting in the PS era is when FF started to really decline. I think 'started' is the key word; I loved FF7 in its time, but not so much now; not a real fan of FF8, FF9 I LOVED, and then we get into PS2. FFX I thought was...okay, but not a favorite, nor was X-2. I didn't play XI, and I have XII, but still haven't played it yet. So, yeah. :/

In general i am really a retrogamer the newest i really go is ps1.  I am glad there is a community like this one of inteligent retro gamers out there who knows that there talking about.

Thank you again! :3

Well, I love new games, too; I just have a fondness for old ones of my generation, too. But I do also feel that a lot of companies today have lost track of some of the simpler things that used to make up games, and that made them great. It's...just not necessary for every game to be 40+ hour odyssey that's, at the same, watching an interactive movie. It's also not necessary for every game to aim for looking as close to real-life as they feasibly can; what's wrong with having more games that look cartoony, or just more stylized in art? But that's another topic. :P

I also can't afford to buy a lot of new ones, so... :/ If you're able, I do suggest looking at current consoles, too; definitely don't stop with the PS if you don't have to. There have been plenty of good and great games for....probably every console after the PS, actually. And hey, you can play a lot of older games on the new consoles, too, via their online networks! :3

http://games.ign.com/articles/121/1217042p1.html

  So, the funny thing is, IGN posted an article today about what FF games to play, and which one (just one?? Unless they just mean in the regular numbered series, then that might make sense) to avoid. Their #1 pick was also FF6, and here's what they had to say about it--

   "With an unforgettable cast of heroes collected across a world riddled with war, Final Fantasy VI stands proudly at the pinnacle of the series. What starts with a mission through ice and snow ends with a battle against a god -- a god that ruins the world. The story of Final Fantasy VI, told elegantly from multiple perspectives, embodies just one of the many elements that make it great. An unparalleled battle system beats at the center of the experience, fueled by character-specific skills and Magicite that empowers each hero with spells of the player's choosing.
Combine this flawless combat with an intricate world to explore and it's clear that Final Fantasy VI has a special energy that endures today." 

    Yeah, that's a good way to put it, in short.

Good find and about a earlier post, I am not against playing new games its just the old games is what i have the fond memories of and its great find these retro gaming communities with intelligent people who have the same interest.

hen you ask the question of which game is 'better,' you can't really 'back it up with facts' because that's a subjective question.

Had I asked this same question, your reply to me would have been aggregate ratings from review sites and how my opinion was wrong.

FF6 by far.

Im sick of FF7 Fanboys... most of them haven't even played the old titles which pisses me off and give credit to FF7 for being the best one in the series.

I know what you mean. Like I've mentioned before, rabid fans did start to turn me off from FF7, too. I know that really shouldn't have happened, and it shouldn't have effected me as much as it did, but...well, it just happened. :/

I'm fine if fans think FF7 is the best in the series; I don't agree, but everyone has their own opinion. What I don't like are the rabid fans who shove it in your face and up your ass, and...just love it way, way too much. I don't understand it as an obsession.

But also, I just started seeing the game differently as time went on anyway, and I became less fond of it.

IMO many people who think FF7 is the best it's because that's the first RPG they played and it was good but not that good.   Now the real debate is which one is better FF4 or FF6... LOL

True. No doubt it was the first RPG, or first major one, of a generation. I understand that makes the experience special for them; it is something that can't be taken away or replaced. I appreciate that to some extent.

Eh, I understand why someone would prefer 4 over 6, or vice versa. I can appreciate most reasons. 6 is my personal favorite though, but I love 4, too.

Something that can't be replace? They want a remake of VII.

As for IV or VI as I stated before I haven't played VI, and somewhere in these forums I posted why IV is my most hated game.

....touche. It is true that some of these fans who claim FF7 is the greatest game ever do somehow want it remade. I've never heard or understood why. 9__9

   You really should just play FF6, White Mage. ONE OF US. ONE OF US. ONE OF US. 8D

First I need to finish Final Fantasy V but there is a issue with that and it is called Minecraft. Thinking of it the only times I turned my TV on this month was to watch three movies due to I needed a break from Minecraft because of a sore arm.

I had to throw Minecraft out the window.  It wasn't just messing with my life but with my overall gaming.  So it had to go.

6 or 7? I pick 4... it was the fitrst one I played and set my expectations for pretty much a lot of fantasy I've been exposed to over the years.

Final Fantasy VI, without question, is my favorite Final Fantasy game . It had the best  battle system, best narrative, best villain, best cast of characters, and best soundtrack in the franchise to date. I am by no means a FFVII hater, in fact I like the game. But in my opinion, VII doesn't hold a candle to VI. I still don't like versus threads, because they often lead to a pissing contest between fanboys and haters.

  Don't worry, I think we're safe from those kinds of threads here! It doesn't tend to happen; folks here are generally nice and like to have actualy discussions instead of pointless flame wars. :3

VI. Never even played VII. But god knows I hate all those squishy I < 3 Sephiroth and want to bear his emo love children fanboys and girls. They make me embarrassed to be a JRPG fan. So maybe I'm a lil prejudiced against VII, but I will always think of it as the beginning of the end for a series I once really enjoyed.=(

  How come you never ended up playing VII, Maze?

I can't begin to claim objectivity here, but I hated ff7 when it came out and hate it all the more now.  Someone died I could care less about and I had to watch some weepy cutscene about it, but hey.  Alot of game left to go.  The cat betrayed me and I couldn't leave him to rot in the desert, but hey.  At least I didn't have to have to use him in battle.  Then that stupid emo Cloud decided to start handing his ex-boyfriend anything useful I happened to pick up.  My playstation was lucky to have survived (probably wouldn't have if not for Bushido Blade and Tomb Raider).  Looking back it probably wasn't that bad a game, but I was right off of FF6, Chrono Trigger, and Mario RPG.  Square was the reason I bought a ps1.  I was used to large leaps of innovation in gameplay and routinely high quality from Square.  FF7 was a huge step back and a monumental disappointment.  Way less characters.  Less I could use at a time in battle.  No multiple teams.  Random battles.  It's BoF with a crappier storyline, roster, and skillset. 

Of course now I hate it all the more because it's managed to all but kill my favorite genre.  RPG's became mainstream.  Can't have a protagonist nowadays that isn't a whiny emo, in a dumb outfit, with a ridiculously giant weapon, lacking their memory.  Every game is so full of cheesy melodrama and CG cutscenes they make me want to kick puppies.  The mainstream loved everything I hated.  Now that's practically all there is.

Oh, but yeah.  It's probably not really the complete garbage I think it is.  Xenogears had way more cutscenes.  Once FF7 had lowered my expectations, FF8, CC, and LoM were alright.  Still though.  FF7 was definately a killing blow to everything great that was rpgs.  Just seems to always work that way.  Some niche thing gets really popular and then takes a flaming nose dive right into mediocrity or outright crap.  Maybe there are some decent rpgs still out there.  I'll be wading through a mountain of BS to get at them though.  Used to be I could buy a Square game and be assured a great experience.  That hasn't been true since 6.  **** FF7.

@Shirow:  How come you never ended up playing VII, Maze?

Hmmm, well I'd LIKE to say it was because I heard a lot of not so glowing opinions about it from other rpgers (which I actually DID), but it's probably more of a type of elitist OG snobbery. I was the same way w/ music when I was younger too. Once a band went mainstream and started getting airplay, I decided they had sold out and was usually done w/ them. That it has always been generally pretty much true doesn't make it less of an affectation. FF7 brought a lot of people that my friends and I would characterize as tourists, poseurs and casual rpgers into the genre, and imo that has negatively impacted the direction rpgs have taken subsequent to its release. FF7 is generally THE FIRST rpg the younger generation of rpgers ever played, so that style is what they have expected and by and large what they have been getting ever since. That said I am not really adverse to playing it anymore. I have (I hope) outgrown some of the affected snobbishness of my 20's, and at the least it is a fairly traditional (certainly by modern standards) JRPG that I've never played (which is a good thing). My husband has the disc around somewhere; I'll probably dig it out sometime when I have 36 or so hours to kill. At least it won't be Magna Carta.

   Although I feel differently about it now, because my opinion changed gradually over time, I still played FF7, back in the day; it was a huge deal. I don't recall hearing a lot of really negative things about the game back then, honestly; it was all the rage, and everyone was in love with it. In some ways, it seemed to retain some classic, Squaresoft RPG-play, and as far as gameplay itself goes, it does, and just felt like it was taking FF to the next level, which it was meant to, of course. The future looked bright, if this was indeed the way the series was going.

   But yeah, like you, as I've expressed before, as time went on, my opinion changed, and the rabid, hyperactive fans are what started to ruin the game for me, too. Even when I loved the game back in the day, it was still never my favorite, and I didn't think it was the greatest game ever made or anything; I've never understood extreme views like that. I guess I also just naturally started looking at the game's story differently too, because well, I...started looking at a lot of things differently! I guess it's called growing up. :P So yeah, there were things that did start to bother me more and more, and I began to wonder, why are people so in love with this game's story? And eventually, we got to the rabid fans demanding the game be remade, and those who got too excited about the PS3 demo, even though Squenix stated it was just a demo, etc. and...yeah, that really made me dislike the whole thing all the more.

   I try not to blame younger players whose first RPG, or one of them, was FF7, too much. I'm sure it was a mind-blowing experience for many of them, because they literally hadn't played anything like it before. Whether we really like FF7 or not, I think it's foolish to deny the impact the game did have on gamers and the industry; it really was the dawn of a new era in games, and well, younger players in that situation really witnessed something astounding, whether they knew it or not. So from the perspective especially of nostalgia, I try not to blame folks too much who really love FF7. But well, that doesn't mean that many of them have to be completely obnoxious about it, no, nor do I still understand the complete obsession.

People that call FF7 emo don't know what emo means. Cloud is a careless individual who is only in it for money. He stands proud and sure of himselfg throughout the whole game. There is a section towards the end were he is confused about who he is and this creates an internal conflict about if he is who he thinks he is.

Advent Children ruined Cloud.

  I agree; I definitely don't think Cloud is seriously an 'emo.' He's a jerk-ass early in the game; like you said, in it for the money. Hell, he still demanded money even though Barrett was saving it to put Marlene through school! Wow, what an asshole.

   But Cloud does actually change as the story goes, and becomes a more 3-dimensional character. He's not terribly complex, but there does end up being more layers than just him being a mere prick.

   I do often think that a lot of fans do want Cloud to be, or think he is, something that he's not, or not intended to be anyway, and sometimes I think that is something more like a really complex 'emo' or something. But, uh, yeah...this is not the case. That's not what he is. I honestly don't even remember most of what happened in Advent Children, except Cloud's new outfit... ;P

   Squall was more consistently, and persistently, more of an 'emo,' I...guess, but again, he was largely just an asshole who didn't care much about anything or anyone, for most of the game, as I recall. That was one reason I didn't care much for FF8; I...didn't care for the protagonist. That's a problem. But this isn't about FF8. ;P

Someone died I could care less about and I had to watch some weepy cutscene about it, but hey.  Alot of game left to go.  The cat betrayed me and I couldn't leave him to rot in the desert, but hey.  At least I didn't have to have to use him in battle.  Then that stupid emo Cloud decided to start handing his ex-boyfriend anything useful I happened to pick up.

THIS.

FF7 was a huge step back and a monumental disappointment.  Way less characters.  Less I could use at a time in battle.  No multiple teams.  Random battles.  It's BoF with a crappier storyline, roster, and skillset.

THAT.

ShirowWolf  "...asshole who didn't care much about anything"

Exact opposite of emo.  Most of the game is him not wanting to admit he even has emotions. FF8 gets a lot of undeserved flak I think.  FF7 fanboys hate on it cause it wasn't FF7 part 2.  Older rpg fanboys hate on it cause it was too much like FF7.  Mediocre game for sure, but had a great minigame that kept flying around to different towns talking to the one liners interesting to me anyway.  Hate the card mini game and you're probably not going to like the game, but I still play the cardgame online from time to time.

Arkus "People that call FF7 emo don't know what emo means." ""

Urban Dictionary. 

3. emo

"Like a Goth, only much less dark and much more Harry Potter ."""

6. emo

 Unless you're talking about the music genre, this pretty much sums up Cloud for me.  I'd more go for a definition that got at the root emotion thing though.  Silly, contrived, artificially manufactured emotion.  Ego centric should be in there somewhere too which goes with the whole money thing Cloud had originally.  Alright.  You're a clone or something.  You're upset about that.  We got it.

 @Shirow: Although I feel differently about it now, because my opinion changed gradually over time, I still played FF7, back in the day; it was a huge deal. I don't recall hearing a lot of really negative things about the game back then, honestly; it was all the rage, and everyone was in love with it.

I've known Moggle since like '95; he has been ranting about how much he hates FF7 since it came out. Usually I ignore about half of what he says because he is a ginormous drama queen (< 3), but all of his complaints are things I have hated in other rpgs.

I play a lot of text based rpgs. Graphics just don't and can't make a game for me. My favorite FF is 4 because I like the story best. I liked Zork. I liked the Princess Maker games. I liked Maid Story. I guess I've just never heard anyone make a case for FF7 that involved something besides how the graphics just blew them away back when it came out. What else was great, innovative, stunning and original as opposed to its predecessors about the game? I've never really heard anyone say....I'd be curious to find out.

Maze, ever play Clannad? That was a pretty awesome dating sim/RPG.

FF7 fanboys hate on it cause it wasn't FF7 part 2.

Truer words were never spoken.

@Mr. K:  Maze, ever play Clannad? That was a pretty awesome dating sim/RPG

No! But I reaaaally want to! I sobbed my way through the anime and After Story a few mos. ago. It sounded like a pretty fun game too, and I already know the storyline is excellent. It's on my B-day wish list!  < 3

I lose it every time I hear this song.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qvzCmV3_12c&list=FL3j1uf6mK0I22-6_yYiLK6w&index=11&feature=plpp_video

Also, here's a link to the game, since there is no way to get it in English.

http://clannad.thewafflehouse.net/index.php

@Mog

>Cloud
>goth

Oh, you're serious? Let me laugh harder!

 Wow.  Nice.  Say the game isn't emo and then point out a bunch of ways the game is emo.  That makes sense.  I just said Cloud was emo.  Way to prove your own post wrong though.

Cloud: "...Shut up. The cycle of nature and your stupid plan don't mean a thing.
Aeris is gone. Aeris will no longer talk, no longer laugh, cry...... or get angry......
What about us...... what are WE supposed to do? What about my pain?
My fingers are tingling. My mouth is dry. My eyes are burning "

"What about my pain?" isn't about the most emo thing a person could possibly say?  Yes.  I found this after 5 seconds of googling.  Do I really need to go on?

Ah what the hell.  I'm bored enough.

 "What about my sadness? My family... friends? The sadness of having my hometown taken away from me!? Sephiroth... I trusted you! No, you are not the Sephiroth I used to know!"

"I came here by my own free will... or so I thought. The truth is I am afraid of myself... there is a part of me I don't understand... there's something inside of me, a person who is not really me." 

"A sealed up, secret wish. Tender memories... no one can ever know." 

"No, I'm afraid. If this keeps up, I may go crazy. I'm afraid... I'm afraid to find out the truth. But... why?" 

"I'm not lying! ... I remember... the intense heat of the flames ... the pain in my body ... and in my heart..." 

Don't forget about this one:

Cloud: "All right everyone, let's mosey."

Cid: "Damn! Again? Stop sounding like such a wimp!"

All of those quotes were taken out of their full context.

All that tells me is that you haven't played the game, or you didn't read any of it.

Sorry Arkus, you can't win this one, because you are simply mistaken. Cloud is a bitch ass fag.

BTW: Bowser only has one child.

Lol.   No one's saying you can't like the character, but accept him for what he is.   I have emo friends.  They listen to the music.  Cut themselves occasionally.  I don't judge.  Love and tolerate, yo.

@Mr. K:  I lose it every time I hear this song.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qvzCmV3_12c&list=FL3j1uf6mK0I22-6_yYiLK6w&index=11&feature=plpp_video

Also, here's a link to the game, since there is no way to get it in English.

http://clannad.thewafflehouse.net/index.php

AAwA Awww, thanks a lot! Yeah, I feel you there. I'm not usually much of a crier unless I'm mad, but Clannad is special.

Let's start off by saying no one is out right wrong, it is a matter of opinion.

Final Fantasy VII is a great game, many people enjoy it and there is no denying that it was the main game that made us aware of RPG's (for the most of us). Personally I love Final Fantasy VII and I love playing through the game every now and then! Am I a fan-boy? Hmmm probably not, I know there are flaws and I don't defend them. Now I hear lots of people saying that Cloud is "emo" and to some that may be true. I know for me, every time I have played through the game I have never had that thought come to mind. Even when I was younger I was well aware of people that were known as being "emo." What matters is the game itself, as a whole. Personally I grew attached to the plot and characters, (not everyone being on my good side), but I never felt lost or confused with why the characters made their choices. I love the game and I always recommend others to try it out.

Now FFVII fan-boys, not the ones who just love to talk about the game and go on and on, but the ones that just hang around and complain and wine about how their game is the best and no matter what anyone says they put you down because your opinion differs, disgust me. Really, it actually goes for any anybody, but yeah.  I'm glad they love their product, but don't ruin it for the rest of us.

Ok back on topic.

Now I have played both FFVI and FFVII, and well... I like FFVII more. Now VI had the best villain in the entire Final Fantasy Series, hands down! Kefka doesn't get enough love, (or hate?) It also had plenty of moments where I had to double check the screen to make sure I read what I read. Some serious stuff, especially near the end. Why I think VII is better than VI is because VII drew me into the story and kept me there. It also only had a few characters that were part of the party, (something I think that was better, less is more kind of thing). For me, having too many characters can, (not always), break me from the reality of the game. While VII had a couple of characters I was like, "pshh, I'm never using you." VI had multiple characters where I was like, "wait what? I don't understand. How am I suppose to use you?"

Now that I think about it more, FFVI was a game that seemed more meant for players who had a more understanding for the genre and offered much more depth to the characters and the story and such. A "depthy" game lol. (that was a lame joke I know.) FFVII had more basic characters but fewer all together, and seemed to cater more to a newcomer to the series, but still with a very engaging story. 

Which did I play first? Oh IV, and I love that out of nostalgia. :D

The thing about the term 'emo' is that I think it's more or less an almost meaningless buzzword, or close to it, anyway. Whatever its original meaning was ever intended to be, it's thrown around so much and I think used incorrectly by people who are more reactionary and honestly don't really know what they're talking about. I wouldn't say Cloud really fits into this category, as I understand it. Like I said, he's a jerk with some problems early in the game, and well, I don't think that's the definiton of the term 'emo,' otherwise imagine how people would qualify for this. I think that's just not the case. Cloud changes as the game goes by, and works through his problems, so even if he does start out 'emo,' he doesn't stay that way. I think oftentimes people who quickly dismiss Cloud as 'emo' honestly just hate the game to begin with, and exaggerate whatever flaws they find. It's all done on purpose, usually to try and insult and harass fans of the game. FFVII isn't my favorite, and I don't understand the obsession a lot of fans have, but I don't bother and insult fans about it.

@RemembertheAges- You make a good point about too many playable characters, but I think the main reason why FFVI worked was, in most times throughout the game, you could cast whatever characters you wanted in the team or teams you used, and that would also help you form better attachments to them. I liked that. Obviously, there are times when you had to have certain characters you couldn't change out, but that was usually okay. Generally, you could have who you wanted with you, and some characters you didn't have to use  that much if you didn't care as much about them.

I will say that I don't quite agree that FFVII was more in-depth in story, but we'll just have to disagree there. :P

Personally I thought emo was kindof a nicer way of describing his personality.  The term didn't really exist at the time and I just called him "whiney bitch", but hey.  Whatever floats your boat.  ^^

These are the factor for me why FFVI is superior over FFVII, and these are my personal two cents on the issue:

Story:

FF6 > FF7

Battle System:

FF6 < FF7

Character Development:

FF6 > FF7

As for my opinion;

I think FF6 really got this charm that cannot be refuted. It is fact that people who played them(that includes me) are still compelled by the story that this majestic game have. And I'm not kidding, even those memories are starting to fade on me, there are some scenarios inside the game that is engraved in my mind that still takes my breath away from me up to this day.

That alone, tells you how memorable FF6 is!

@ShirowWolf - Hmm, weird because I agree that FFVI is a more in-depth story and not VII. My bad, I must have wrote it wrong. FFVI story was better than FFVII but for me FFVII retained my interest longer. Don't know if I made that really clear in my post but thanks for bringing it up so I could clarify! :D

Battle System:

FF6 < FF7

I'm unsure of how anyone can feel this way. One of the best things about FF6 was the stratification of class roles. You knew who was your thief, you knew your mages, knight, engineer, etc. Whatever it was you wanted to accomplish in battle was dependent upon knowing the strengths and weaknesses of every character.

In FF7, characters were essentially the same, except for pixels and limit breaks. You just move one set of materia over to the person you're swapping in for.

Besides, any RPG with four people to a battle is automatically superior.

Well, it is the fact that FF7 brought something really enticing to the table. Sure FF6 had their own classes on each characters and the Esper system is still awesome. But the fact that FF7 had this bad-ass "Limit Breaks" and spell customization through Materias is definitely a leap.

FF6 originated the Desperation Attack. Essentially a limit break. Even that wasn't original to FF7.