Guilty Hatred

We all have our favorite movies (Back to the Future).  We even have our guilty pleasures (Love Actually).  But something we're often loathe to admit are the movies that everyone else loves, you you hate.  You know what I mean, the blockbusters, the critically acclaimed, even the classics.  It can be for any reason.  I have a co-worker who absolutely hated Iron Man because he couldn't get over the ridiculous engineering feats in it.  And as he put it: "I know something about engineering."

Perhaps my biggest guilty hatred (and I know the Commodore and I have gone over this ad nauseum) is The Usual Suspects.  Not to spoil the ending for anyone (though is it really a spoiler if the movie came out a decade ago?), but I thought the plot was so obviously straining reality and mind-bending - just for the purpose of throwing off the viewer - that I actually guessed who Keyser Söze was halfway through the movie just by picking the most ridiculous possible person.  Add to that that the whole movie was basically a lie, and I just wanted my 2 hours back.

I know I can't be alone in this line of thinking.  What are your guilty hatreds?

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lol, I bet your friend hates the comic book....

I hate vampires, let me be clear, I hate what Anne Rice has done to vampires. Vampires are undead monsters you're suppose to kill on sight, not mate with them and listen to their problems. I hate how in novels, movies and game, vampires are just whiny pussies insteado of hatfu monsters.

Twilight for example, The main character falls in love with a vampire and it creates this "grand stuggle" for each others love. When did necrophilia become ok in out society? Remember the days when a vampire rolled on to the scene and the first thought was "kill it with fire?" Now it's "Oh, look! A vampire! Have sex with it!"

This all started with Anne Rice, but tht's ok because she has actually apologized for her vampire novels. That's right, and now she only writes Christian novels.

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To be honest, I can't stand to many modern games. Other then trying to pay $60 for a new game, I just can't stand what they have done to games. It seems they try to cover their asses in the deptmartment of shitty gameplay with amazing graphics. Not to say I don't like some new games, I loved Left 4 Dead 2 and pretty much every source game, but it's getting ridiculous. They are trying to put some much into graphics, that it really takes away from the quality of gameplay. To be honest I can care less about damn graphics. I would rather play a fun game with PS2 level graphics then an unfun game with life like graphics.... Games not being original is another complaint, but we all know about that one. This is also the reason I go back and play so many old games, they don't have to really rely on graphics to be fun, which is why I love them.

 

It's the same thing with movies, I can't stand how much they try to get you to see a movie, just because it's 3D! It's a stupid gimic. Give me VR then we'll talk. Anyways, my example of this is Avatar. Now I never saw the 3D version, I watched the DVD version at home after it came out (I don't usually have enough money to go), and I thought okay, this is a sub-standard movie.... Why does everyone like it again? I talked to people I knew about it, and they said you gotta see it in 3D, it's an "experience"... Well, a standard movie is an "experience" reguardless of whether or not some cheap 3D effects are thrown on. It's a pointless gimmick that doesn't add much to the film. A movie should be able to stand without being in 3D. It's seems that the future revolves around 3D, and I won't care. I want VR DAMN IT!!!!

 

*END OF RANT*

 

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I'd have to say mine is anything with Will Ferrell in it.  I know a lot of people think he's amazing; I just don't get it.  At all.

I have to agree with Arkus on the current state of vampires as well.

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I have to agree with all the posters above.

Here is my addition:

Adam Sandler. I loathe the very Earth he walks on. My hatred for any of his movies and his infantile humor surpasses all things...some of my friends love him. Ugh.

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To one degree or another, I agree with everyone so far.  ESPECIALLY about Will Ferrell.  Usually the funniest parts of his movies are the other actors in them (see: Steve Carrell in Anchorman).  He just exemplifies trying too hard.

As an update to my previous post, I found an old article on Cracked that basically sums up my feelings on Usual Suspects to a T (pay attention, Commodore):

From its opening scene to the final reveal, Suspects plays out like a movie where a too-clever screenwriter worked out the shock ending first and wrote his way backwards (right). Anybody who writes a mystery film that doesn't give out any clues until after it tells you the secret either doesn't understand the genre or is too drunk to care. Add to this the fact that for the ending to even work, it means everybody in the audience has been lied to about what's really happened for the last hour and a half, and you can't help but feel cheated by the end if you were actually paying attention. Usual Suspects feels like a bad campfire story that takes too damn long to tell and doesn't make any sense, and at the end the storyteller says, "Oh! I totally forgot to tell you before that the hero was a robot the whole time." Yeah, thanks, Shakespeare. Let's just roast some hot dogs, okay?

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 For me, it has to be Titanic. Why so long? It's not like it had to fit the whole Metal gear storyline into a movie... it's just a long long long generic romantic story and how many oscars did it win? 11? I don't really remember how many but it was a huge number.

I agree on the Twilight thing but at least its not really critically acclaimed at all. Its like the Justin Bieber of film franchises, the core fans love it to death and the rest of the world think its rubbish. 

Will Ferrell isn't really big in my country at all... I only know of him because he looks a lot like Chad Smith, one of my all time favorite drummers soooo I don't have an opinion on that one but I DO agree on Adam Sandler. He's just not that funny.

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Chad Smith, he is the drummer for Red Hot Chile Peppers right? They look sooooooo much alike.

Thank God I am not the only person who's favorite movie is Back To The Future.

For me it is a Director, TIM  BURTON!!!!!!! I hate him with a passion, and all of his movies. He did a few good ones. For me, he did pretty good at Batman. All of his other movies were crap. His look on everything is strange and weird. Big Fish was strange, Willy Wonka was crap, The Nightmare Before Christmas was sick. What else do I need to say.Alice in Wonderland, don't get me started on that.

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Im not sure what games really focus 100% on graphics.  Have you tried Fallout 3?  I mean it's a pretty good game and critical acclaimed, however, the graphics are actuaslly quite terrible for today's standard (Or even two years ago).  Not to say it doesnt look bad, but I mean, they sacked Graphics for gameplay and envrionment. 

Fallout 3 aside, I will admit that there are a lot of games out there that have prettty graphics, but, they still focus on the great gameplay elements.  Assassins Creed and its sequel are two very good examples of good looking and functional games (I have played the first one, and yes, the controls aren't perfect, but they let you customize them [well, the PC version anyway] and gameplay isnt broken at all...well except the coutner move but, letsn ot get into that.) 

Unreal Tournament, and just about any FPS game released works the same way any FPS is expected to work even in the PS2 era.  PC FPS's are still better IMO, but I like being able to use a mouse instead of a joystick to look around. 

Now if you are complaining about physics in game specificly or something similar to that...well, I kinda get where your goign with that.  there are games that don't focus much on the reality of things and just try to be fun.  The thing is, it's hard to find them underneath the Callof Duty's and other Realistic games of the sort. 

As for games not beign original....well...thats been around for like ever.  Many companies don't like taking risks with new things that "Might" work, and game companies are no different.  Now there are some pretty original Ideas, Transformers: War fro cybertron does some uniqe things with the Health system in Shooters (thats a bit of a strech though).  Portal...well, you said you like the Source Engine games so I assume you know this one. Assassins creed as I said before does some greta Acrobatics thats very remenesint of the prince of Persia series (makes since seing the developers).  Thats all that comes to mind at the moment, but they are there.  If you really want to dig, look for the nobody developers that are just gettign started.  Most Indipendant Developers create there own original games simple because they startign out and trying to break into the market.  This allows them more freespace than the big time developers Mainly because if they take risks...who cares, its a "No name developer" so to speak.  there rep wont be affected by nobody buying it just the oens who do.  I dont know how much sicne that last part will make for you.  I feel liek I might catch most people off guard on that one.  Sorry aheado f time if it does. 

Oh and one more great thing about indipendient games?  they definitly don't focus on the graphics as a main feature.  they are just tring to make a fun game that everyone will want to play, not a Movie like Heavy Rain *Whisper Whisper whisper* Excuse me...Oh, I mean Interactive Entertainment or whatever they called it.)

As for Movies in 3D...Yeah, it's a gimic, but I personally liked Avater.  It wasn't about the 3D that got me, but the story and the fact it was a science fiction movie (That was a small part mind you).  Also, it was just a fun movie to watch...again, IMO.  but hey, I understand if it wasn't your thing. 

3D is more like a perk than a whole new feature.  All 3D does in movies is give you an excuse to see it in theatures or on really expencive Telivisions.  And VR...Really, come on, I mean I cant wait for the Holo deck technology.  Imagine Watchign Avater in the Holo Deck and seeing one of those beasts or the Giant Mechs.   Yeah I know, VR is the same thing, But I like the Holo Deck versions of VR better than most other versions (Except the Matrix, that one is cool....if not a bit creepy).

 

Oh, yeah, Umm, I hate Napolian Dynamite (Dont know if I spelt it right and dont really care eitheR).  I dont know what people see in that movie but it's just garbage and unfunny.  I mean I watched and had to force myself to laugh at something.  That's when I droped the remote and said "done".  Walked outside and told my friend it was the worst thign I ever say.  They thougth I was weird.  Well, half of them anyway.  My smart friends (by smart I mean just that, good grades and no Common sence.)  agree with me how terrible that movie is.

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Man, I love just reading the treatises you guys come up with in these comment sections.  It just goes to show the mental acuity of the average CotGW fan!  

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I agree, this is an excellent thread! Can relate with similar sentiments on a lot of the titles and actors named above. Especially in what passes as 'comedy' in a lot of cases doesn't resonate with me at all. Strong example for me would be 'The Hangover', I heard from so many people that it was incredible, funniest movie ever, etcetera and so on. 

Watched it and found it to have few if any genuine laughs and felt like I was really missing something... Give me a Bill Murray film any day of the week over that dull, uninspired, one trick pony any day of the week! 

Completely agree with Segaranger on Tim Burton's remake of Charlie and the Chocolate Factory. It was painful to sit through and the original is vastly vastly superior. As discussed in the echo screen, remakes are dangerous ground to begin with and that is one that shouldn't have ever been touched. And the results speak for themselves, though the box office numbers would certainly argue with you on the 'success' of it or not. Sad really.

I haven't seen all the Twilight films to weigh in on their merit (or lack thereof, haha) but like Hipermusic pointed out they cater to a very specific audience and are much loved within that circle.

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Oh,  I forgot to mention this in my previous post. Thisi s probably my biggiest guilty hatred.  This series....well it isn't bad, it's jsut...people give it too much credit for what it is.  The series I'm talking about is the Halo series.  Like I said it's an olay seires of games but everyone just freaking thinks its Gods game. I mean Microsoft closed an entire road in newyork just to showcase there third game. 

The same could be said about CoD4: Modern Warfare and it's sequal.  I dont know why people love those damn games.  Again, I'll give it that they are okay, but they arn't great at all.

Everyone tells me that these games excell online, and I seriously just dont see why.  I mean you can do the same hting with any FPS out there.  I'll credit Halo as being the first (Well Halo 2 from what I understand) to leap to online via consoles, but....come on.  For the sake of reason, there are other games that do that just as well if not better. 

While we're opn the subjectof Guilty Hatreds.   This one isn't really one right now, but it was a few years back when it just got started.  Online Gameing.  Yeah I know, weird.  But I just hated the idea mainly because I had the crappiest internet connection that made Dialup seem plausable.  The Irony is that my friends said all games would soon be online only and my first thought was "what about games like Final Fantasy, and Mario.  You cant possibly play those two players".  Overtime I warmed up and grew up.  I mean I enjoy Online Gaming occasionally, but, agian, like Halo and CoD, I just dont see the long term uses with just a single game.  I eman even world Of warcraft got boring to me for wuite a few reasons.

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Yeah, I never really "got" what was so great about Halo.  I mean, I don't hate it, but I've tried playing it several times, and easilly put it down.

I also agree about the Hangover to a point.  Pretty much any part with Zach Galifianakis was great, but the rest was kinda meh.  I'd gladly take Ghostbusters, Airplane!, or any Mel Brooks movie over that.  But then again, there are some old school movies that I'm not much of a fan of either.  Animal House?  I'll leave it.

BTW, I can't stand Napolean Dynamite.  Just can't do it.  I've tried several times, but I genuinely hate it.  To the point that it actually makes me mad that they used such a great song for the credits sequence ("The Promise" by When in Rome).

And I still have yet to see a movie in 3D... I guess I should see what all the fuss is about eventually.

 

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I'm having a hard time coming up with a guilty hatred. I can't think of anything most people think is good that people actually like and is award winning that I don't like. Main reason being I haven't seen many good films. There's a reason I'm the one who started the worst film thread...

For now, I'd have to say sequel baiting and/or unneccessary sequels, but I think those categories are too broad to qualify.

I'll edit this when I come up with something.

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