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Tue, 10/18/2011 - 00:04
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So, I want to ask what I'm sure many will consider to be a terrible, forbidden question, but I'm curious about what others think of it anyway.

What if Star Wars was started all over again, but not by George Lucas, and/or Star Wars continuity was smoothed and evened out by parties who care about Star Wars, and definitely not George Lucas?

Whew...Sorry, that rather loaded question came out longer than I intended!

Also, I refuse to use the word 'reboot'. I will not do it. It's not a term I will acknowledge, just to get that out of the way. At any rate, what if people who were not George Lucas just started Star Wars all over again, or otherwise took control of it?

The problem is, Lucas clearly does not care about continuity in his own universe, and he is even personally actively destroying it himself. He's like Unicron eating all the planets away, or like the Nothing, just erasing all of Fantasia; sometimes it's like there might as well have never been much of anything even there. And he doesn't care. Sure, he has the right to do what he does, and not care, but that's never been the issue.  His actions leave fans, who he owes everything to, feeling very angry and betrayed. Sometimes it also seems like Lucas is actually remaking his own universe anyway though, with all the contradictions and things that...don't nix continuity, but don't make any sense, either.

So, all right, if Lucas wants to destroy his own universe, and stop giving a shit, well, just imagine if this was possible; what if people who do actively give a shit took over Star Wars either started it all over, or at least, forged a more real continuity somehow, one that makes sense,  ignoring all of Lucas's destruction, and other....bizarre contradictions? Think about, as one example of a possibility, of what Marvel did; they created their, uh, so-called 'Ultimate' Universe (pretty much referred to as that because most of the books in that line started with the word 'Ultimate'. The appropriateness of the term is debatable) as a separate one from the original Marvel universe, and they set that up so they could basically go total ape-shit in it, and do whatever they want, and say 'Well, it's not the original universe.' Well, what if something like that was done for Star Wars?  I know it's not going to happen, at least, certainly not while Lucas is alive. The idea is to use your imagination here, and think about how you feel about the idea. I also realize if Lucas is the one who did such  a thing, I think most of us here would be against that, no doubt, so imagine if someone else did it. Also, I'm not suggesting an 'Ultimate Star Wars' universe or something be made for the same reasons of going total ape-shit in it. No, Lucas is already doing more than enough of that; I mean, if such a thing happened, it would be to right wrongs, for the purposes of this question. But then again, if you would like to see someone create such a new universe to go bonkers in it, well, feel free to share anyway! :P I will add though that I have no doubt if Lucas himself did totally start Star Wars all over again, that would be the complete end of the Original Trilogy, and we would never see it ever again. That would be horrific and devestating.

Consider other properties, like the Transformers. Transformers doesn't have a one, universal continuity that unifies everything. It simply doesn't. It has so many series that tend to have similarities, but are still different, and distinct. Should the same kind of thing happen with Star Wars?

Star Wars continuity is also so huge now, it almost is a universe in a seemingly literal sense. It's winding, confusing, and convoluted. I know this happens when you have so many people working in it, usually through Expanded Universe media, but jeez....Lucas and his company haven't been taking as good care of it as he seems to feel they have, often times. But well, that's what happens when the head of the company doesn't care. Well, what if someone else who cared more decided to forge a more cohesive continuity that made sense? Remember when Boba Fett's real name was supposedly Jaster Mareel, but then that was changed to him being...a clone, and then Jaster Mareel was made into another Mandalorian entirely?? Remember when Lemelisk was the engineer who came up with the Death Star plans, but then that was changed to....the Geonosians created the design? Sigh...

I guess one of the reasons I've brought this up is considering some of the missed opportunities in the New Trilogy. Despite how much money the movies made, a lot of fans were left disappointed. Some of it was due to huge expectations, and Lucas failing to deliver even a fraction of what a lot of fans hoped for. That and, again, destroying continuity. One reason I in turn bring that up is Lucas's interest in The Phantom Menace again recently, and he clearly also sees some of his own missed opportunities, or at least one in particular; Darth Maul. It was revealed recently that Lucas himself gave the order to bring Maul back in The Clone Wars, further destroying continuity, and essentially giving the...confusing and bullshit answer to fans of 'Well, he didn't really die.' When Lucas realizes his own missed opportunities, or otherwise feels regret over something in Star Wars, that spells doom for fans.

Anyway, so thinking about other missed opportunities Lucas had in the New Trilogy is pretty easy. I'll bet there are a lot of creative folks who could come up with a lot of great ideas that should have been seen or done in the NT, and not destroy continuity either. It's kind of sad to think that in 100 years maybe, perhaps there will be tons of creative people doing all kinds of great stuff with Star Wars that they can't do now, things that should have been, and we won't live to see it.  That's neither here nor there, I suppose.

For me personally, well, I'm not openly for a direct do-over of all Star Wars, no, by anyone, really. Mainly, I just wish Lucas would leave it alone, as I'm sure most of us do. I also wish that Lucas's company would stop making everything focus around the handful of planets we see in the movies, although often it seems to mostly come from the OT. Okay, we've seen fucking Hoth already, and wampas; go somewhere else, do something else, and talk about other beasties if need be. I'm also tired of other ridiculous retcons, or even..retcons of...retcons,  and explanations that just don't add up or make much sense, and wish that would stop. I do think it would interesting to see, if this was possible, how other people would have handled the universe, and things like the New Trilogy. Using the OT as the starting point, like I said, I think there are a lot of people out there who could have done great things from there, not destroyed continuity, and given us greater exploratory events, like the NT, if they were in charge.

But what do you think?

 

 

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Tue, 10/18/2011 - 11:44
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I think the original saga

I think the original saga should be left alone.  There are many paths to follow or make.  I think something in the Old Republic would be awesome.

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Tue, 10/18/2011 - 14:34
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The Old Republic does have a

The Old Republic does have a lot of all-new ground to cover, especially given that it takes place literally over thousands of years, and thousands of years before the OT. We've seen a lot of work in this area, but I'm sure we'll be seeing more new material there. Do you propose that TOR could perhaps serve as sort of Starting Star Wars over again? In some ways, yeah, I guess it could!

...but you know, there are some continuity problems in there, too. The first actual look we got of the Old Republic in ancient times (from the starting point of the OT) was in the Tales of the Jedi series from Dark Horse, I believe. Things looked....a lot more primitive in those comics. There were still ships, and lightsabers, but it all looked very, very different. When Knights of the Old Republic was made, the look of those games completely contradicts what was already established in TotJ, even though both series took place in roughly the same time. Sigh...

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Thu, 12/08/2011 - 16:01
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I think the ideal situation

I think the ideal situation would be if they somehow managed to 'clean up' the universe that already exists and the stories that have already been told. However, having said that I think it would actually be AWESOME if they made a "ultimate SW"-universe, or at least something like that. A new story-line written and 'overseen' by someone who actually cares about continuity.

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Thu, 12/08/2011 - 16:40
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To be honest, I'm not really

To be honest, I'm not really sure how they can 'clean up' some of the old universe, really. A further problem is, they've already tried that, or thought they did, with ridiculous retcons, or otherwise ignoring continuity altogether. It's a messy problem, and I'm really not sure what the answer is...

Personally, I don't think an 'Ultimate Star Wars' universe would really 'solve' the problem either, but well, if they tried it in say, comics for example, it could be something to try, see if people like it. I'm not exactly hoping for it, but well, maybe it'll happen some day.

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Fri, 12/09/2011 - 08:21
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I'm not sure how I would feel

I'm not sure how I would feel about any attempts to smooth out Star Wars continuity; I'm not even sure it would be possible at this point.


 As long as the Star Wars universe remains the confused and self contradictory mess that the prequels have left it, I can continue to ignore all the changes that have been made subsequent to Jedi. Dismissed as the products of a mind suffering from undiagnosed, early onset senile dementia.


On the other hand? I would really like to see characters like Boba Fett recover from his prequel makeover and reclaim his identity. Or see Anakin Skywalker as a badass fighter pilot engaged in a long, bloody, disillusioning war and committing acts in the name of upholding the Republic that make him start to question his basic loyalties. And eventually to cast off those loyalties when he begins to fear that it was all for nothing, and the slide into chaos will not be forestalled by futile attempts to preserve the status quo ante bellum.


Or something farther back in the universe's history dealing with the first battles between the Jedi and the Sith could be freaking awesome, if done well.


I might not even mind something concentrating on Leia and Han's mechanical genius son, Anakin. Using the force to invent incredible new technologies with the possibility to change the Universe for good or ill maybe? Could be cool, or incredibly stupid in the wrong hands. ZOMG! He makes a time machine, goes back and steals Anakin I's identity and builds 3PO. OH NOOOOEZ!!! Oh, wait, not to different from what Lucas did actually.


I definitely wouldn't trust Hollywood to be involved though. Not the way they have been scraping the bottom of the barrel creatively for the last decade or so.

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Fri, 12/09/2011 - 08:27
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Maze remakes Star Wars.

Maze remakes Star Wars.

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Fri, 12/09/2011 - 13:22
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And that would be the most

And that would be the most awesomest thing to ever happen in the history of EVER! =P


Death to the Ewoks!


ZOMG! I just watched the '78 Star Wars Holiday Special and I have to say, STILL preferable to Attack of the Killer Klones from Outer Space.

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Fri, 12/09/2011 - 13:34
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....boy, you really hate

....boy, you really hate 'Clones, Maze, I noticed... :P

I don't think it's that bad, personally. Yes, the story with Anakin and Padme is...pretty dumb, and...Lucas's writing is terrible here. Not that Christensen and Portman didn't also kind of look like they were forcing it a little...I suppose it's not a largely preferable type of Star Wars movie, but taking it for what it is, I don't think it's too bad.

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